Hadiths Corrupted Islam. Reply to Sunni Jihadis.
Posted by QB on June 19, 2007
The corruption of Islam was started during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad when hypocrites started spreading lies and misinformation during his lifetime. These people were the enemies of God and Prophet who invented lies fabricated stories and were very systematically spread these among the people who had never met and see Prophet. The hadiths which are the main reason for the
corruption of Islam are collected 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad. The criteria for collection of these hadiths adopted by Bukhari and other hadith writers was very illogical and faulty which resulted in very confusing illogical unscientific stories attributed to Prophet Muhammad. The hadith writers according to my analysis really did not read the message of Qur’an before they started writing the sayings of Prophet Muhammad.
The criteria to judge hadiths authenticity was to verify the chain of transmitters to Prophet Muhammad time which is considered by Sunnis to be science of collecting hadiths which is known as “Ilm al Rajal” or “Isma Al Rajal” knowledge of people. Shias reject all the Sunni hadiths and they have their hadiths where were written 450 years after Prophet Muhammad death. Sunnis hadiths collection is based on companions of Prophet Muhammad and his family and Shia hadiths are based on Ahl e Bait (House of Prophet Muhammad) which only includes Prophet’s daughter Fatima, Prophet cousin Ali who was also the hushand of Fatima and their two sons Hassan and Hussein. Shias do not consider Prophet Muhammad wives as Ahl e Bait and the reason for this is they hate all the companions of Prophet Muhammad.
The God has promised to protect the message of Qur’an till the day of judgement is the only criteria we have to judge the authenticity of these fabricated stories written by majority of non Arabs so called Imams. Following is the verse which provide the proof that not all of the companions during Prophet Muhammad time were true believers.
9:101 Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
The following is the verse which provides the proof that these hypocrites were spreading lies and misinformation attributing it to Prophet Muhammad.
5:41 O Messenger! Let not grieve you those who hasten into disbelief of those who say, “We believe” with their mouths, but their hearts believe not, and from among the Jews. They are listeners of falsehood and listeners for other people who have not come to you. They distort the words from their context, saying, “If you are given this, take it; but if you are not given it, then beware.” And for whom Allah intends a trial never will you have power to do anything for him against Allah. Those are the ones for whom Allah did not intend to purify their hearts. For them in this world is disgrace and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
The logical conclusion here is that if the hadith writers infact traced back the chain of transmitters back to Prophet Muhammad time than the lies and misinformation could not become the truth. The hadith writers criteria was what we call it “garbage in garbage out” in data processing terminology. The hadith writers which are called Imams and no criticism is allowed as it will be considered blesphemy making that person Apostate. The punishment for Apostate according to these fabricated corrupted hadiths is “death”. I have no religious eduction and can’t understand Arabic but it looks likes that have more knowledge of the message than these so called Imams.
The other argument these Sunni and Shia bring into discussion that Qur’an message can’t be understood without the help of hadiths. The hadiths creates doubts about the message that some of the verses of Qur’an are missing and Shias belief that complete message is with their disappeared Imam. The hadith writers put emphassis on the time of revelation and the purpose of revelation (Sabab Al Nazzul) of verses of Qur’an which is in my ignorant opinion is restricting the message to a particular condition or situation. The message of Qur’an is so broad that it can be applied to one’s life regardless of time region cultures limitation till the day of judgement. Honestly I did not read Bukhari or any other hadith writer explanation of Qur’an but know that Bukhari did not explain many Chapters (Suras) completely ignoring them in his Sahih Bukhari. The Shias on the other hand belief that nobody can understand Qur’an except (Ahl e Bait) so their hadiths consists of Ahl e Bait and their Imams. This is the most illogical approach accepted by Sunnis and Shias and it is clear contradiction of Qur’an. The Qur’an message which we consider to be the words of God clearly teaches us that Qur’an is easy to understand which provide all the details and He is not left anything out of message but still these Sunnis Shias insists that Qur’an is the summary and the details are provided in hadith books. The majority of Sunnis and Shias have no shame and fear rejecting the words of God for the love of their wordly gods.
These Sunnis and Shias also ask the question to show them where performing Salat in Qur’an. The Salat which is the most common practice is also corrupted by these hadith writers who had included lots of methods for saying Salat (Prayers). There is no way for us to know now how did Prophet Muhammad performed his prayers thanks to these moron hadith writers.
The message of Qur’an is easy to follow and be Muslim but it is really hard and confusing to follow Sunni or Shia hadiths and remain Muslim.
These hadith writers had included lots of stories which describes animosity between the closest companions of Prophet Muhammad including his wives daughter and his grand sons which all to me are lies when comparing them with the message of Qur’an. The following one verse is more than enough for me to reject all these disgusting fabricated stories. The Prophet Muhammad closest companions spend 23 years under his leadership and training could not started fighting each other power.
48:29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.
The hadith writers are the main cause of dividing Muslims into sects with their facbricated stories for the successor of Prophet Muhammad. According to the corrupted hadiths Aisha (Prophet Muhammad wife) and Ali (Prophet Muhammad cousin and his son in law) had the bloody military confrontation. The Islamic history to me is very much corrupted and we can’t trust what is writen simply because it is clear contradiction of Qur’an message. Anybody believe that Ali and Aisha fight a war means that they have not learned anything from Prophet Muhammad and ignoring the message of God. Anybody who believe Abu Bakr Omer Farouk Uthman and Ali were obsessed to grab the power immediately after the death of Prophet Muhammad just read and understand the above verse.
The hadith writers also included hadiths which to me are the insult to Prophet Muhammad and these hadiths are related to his private married life. These stories are absurd and are not necessary for the faith.
Here are few exaples of hadiths from Sahih Bukhari. Read and enjoy the science of hadiths. I did not find any science in these stories. These stories to me are illogical funny and fairy tales.
Prophet Moses beat stone.
Volume 1, Book 5, Number 277:Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, ‘The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, ‘By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.’ So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, “My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, ‘By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone.” Abu Huraira added, “By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating.”
Prophet Moses spoiled the eye of Angel of death with slap.
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 423:Narrated Abu Huraira:
The angel of death was sent to Moses and when he went to him, Moses slapped him severely, spoiling one of his eyes. The angel went back to his Lord, and said, “You sent me to a slave who does not want to die.” Allah restored his eye and said, “Go back and tell him (i.e. Moses) to place his hand over the back of an ox, for he will be allowed to live for a number of years equal to the number of hairs coming under his hand.” (So the angel came to him and told him the same). Then Moses asked, “O my Lord! What will be then?” He said, “Death will be then.” He said, “(Let it be) now.” He asked Allah that He bring him near the Sacred Land at a distance of a stone’s throw. Allah’s Apostle (p.b.u.h) said, “Were I there I would show you the grave of Moses by the way near the red sand hill.”
Drink camel milk and urgine as medine.
No. 235 – Narrated Abu Qilaba:Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle .
Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).” And Sa’id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
These are only few of examples of science of hadith collection by the morons knowns as Imams.
Ahmed Ismail this is for your stupid comments which you posted on your blog. First I deleted you from my blogroll because of your hypocrisy. There are many blogs on my blogroll which are included without the knowledge of the blog adminstrators and I really don’t expect anyone to include me on their blogroll. This blog for me to say what is right whether religion or politics without worrying about the traffic. I have no intentions ambitions or desires to make this blog favorite on wordpress You really are stupid who can’t understand the first sentence of my previous post, read it again and if you don’t understand than go and ask someone with common sense. I posted this on my blog because it is impossible to have pleasant intelligent open conversation with religious fanatics Christians and Sunnis Shias. You again proved to be an idiot assuming that moderated comments is activated to delete comments which do not agree with my point of view. Moron look at the comments which strongly against my posts are still on the blog. Should you have the intelligence than you should have noticed this is because of huge amount of spam which I am trying to block. You started the personal attacks and this is my response to all your insults.
The truth is I never claimed to be knowledgeable religious scholar. I always said this many times before repeating it for you that I don’t have any religious eduction and what I am posting is according to my understanding of religions.
ClapSo said
Thank you for sharing your personal insights into religion with us. There are many sources of “scholarly” info about religion. What we need more of is information from a personal perspective. We don’t need the “right” answers. We need personal answers. In this way we learn about our fellow human beings. Don’t mind the haters and whiners. I’ve added your blog to my blog roll. Keep sharing your personal view!
The scientifically impossible I do right away
The spiritually miraculous takes a bit longer
QB said
Thank you ClapSo. Your blog was added to my blogroll when you posted your first comments.
shahid said
salamun,
ITs appaling that a person who doesnt know even the basics of the science of hadith write a article denying hadiths, am sorry to tell u ur article is no where close to being a scholarly stuff,i advice u to fear Allah(swt) with respect to speaking things of which u have no knowlege,am sure u would have read nothing more than a book or so on this topic……… DO tell me what do u know about the science of hadith that u call it funny and illogical
just to explain u:
The whole root of this problem is based on a common misconception amongst people that Ahaadeeth were collected and written down after 150 to 200 years of Prophet Muhammad (sallallaho alaihi wasallam) ’s death. This misconception has led to people viewing hadeeth suspiciously as they surely can’t be authentic as they were collected much later.
but the fact is Ahaadeeth were compiled and written down since the time of Prophet Muhammad (sallallaho alaihi wasallam), Sahabah (radiallah tala anhum) had their own scrolls or books, with the help of these scrolls and books other hadeeth books were compiled later onwards.
At first the Prophet (sallallaho alaihi wasallam) stopped his companions (radiallah tala anhum) from writing down hadeeth. [Sahih Bukhari] then afterwards this was permitted, there is a narration regarding it.
Prophet of Allah (sallallaho alaihi wasallam) said to Abdullah bin Amr (radiallah tala anho): Write ahaadeeth, I swear by Him who holds my life in His hand, from this mouth nothing but the truth comes out. [Abu Dawood, volume 1, pg 158: Isnaad is Saheeh]
There are numerous traditions indicating the instruction of writing Ahaadith. Therefore, many Sahaaba recorded ahaadith in the Prophetic era. References are many of such collections and compilations:
THE SAHIFA (COLLECTION) OF ABDULLAH IBN AMR (Radhiallaahu Ánhu)
Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) is the greatest narrator of Hadith. Despite this he says, “No person has learnt more Hadith than me. However, Abdullah bin Amr (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) used to write the Hadith and I should not write.” This is clear evidence that Hadith used to be written in that era. Hadhrat Abdullah bin Amr (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) possessed a collection that exceeded one thousand Ahaadith. Ibnr-Rushd has mentioned in his Kitaab Asadul Ghaaba (vol. 3 pg. 233) that, this collection was named As-saadiqah.
THE SAHIFA (COLLECTION OF HADHRAT ALI (Radhiallaahu Ánhu)
Imaam Bukhari (RA) has mentioned in this Sahifa in the chapter of “Ilm” (vol. 1 pg. 21) and he has mentioned it in four places. The narrator Abu Juhaifa reports that, “I enquired from Hazrat Ali (R.A.), do you possess a book?” He replied: “No, except the Book of Allah or the understanding granted to a Muslim or what is in this Sahifa.” I asked him, “What is in this Sahifa?” He replied, “Orders relating to ‘Diyat’ (penalty or murder) – the freeing of prisoners and no Muslim will be killed in lieu of a kaafir.”
This Sahifa contained orders regarding, murder, compensations, capital punishments, details of Zakaat and matters relating to non-Muslim citizens in an Islamic State.
KITABUS – SAQAH
This collection was personally dictated by the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). It contained details regarding Zakaat, Ushar etc. According to some reports it seems as though this was written for the Zakaat collectors. However, the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) left this world before it was sent to them. This kitaab remained with Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar (R.A.). Eventually Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz memorized it and thereafter Ibn Shihaab Zohri memorised it.
SAHIFA IBN ABBAS (R.A.)
Ibn Saad (R.A.) mentions in his kitaab “Tabaqaat” that the slave of Ibn Abbas (R.A.) said, “He found a large collection of the kitaabs of Ibn Abbas equal to a camel-load.”
SAHIFA JAABIR IBN ABDULLAH (Radhiallaahu Ánhu)
Imaam Muslim has reported that Hadhrat Jaabir (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) had compiled a book on Hajj. Imaam Bukhari mentioned this is his Taarikh-e-Kabeer vol. 7 pg. 186) – Hadhrat Qataaqda bin De’aama as-Sodusi had memorised this Sahifa.
SAHIFA SAMURA IBN JUNDOB (Radhiallaahu Ánhu)
Hafiz ibn Hajar (RA) reports that Hadhrat Samoora (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) has narrated a big (volume) chapter from his father. Imaam Muhammad ibn Sireen (RA) reports that the Kitaab which Hadhrat Samoora (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) has written for his children contains great knowledge.
SAHIFA SAAD IBN UBADA
Ibn Saad reports in Tabaqaat that Hadhrat Saad (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) had a collection of Ahaadith.
SAHIFA ABU HURAYRA (Radhiallaahu Ánhu)
Imaam Hakim mentions in Mustadrak that once Hadhrat Hassan ibn Umar narrated a Hadith to Hadhrat Abu Hurayra (Radhiallaahu Ánhu). Hadhrat Abu Hurayra denied the Hadith. Hadhrat Hassan told him, “I have narrated this Hadith from you”. He replied, “If I have narrated it, it will definitely be written down.”
He had written down all his Hadith in the end.
SAHIFA IBN MAS’OOD
Hafiz ibn Abdul-Barr (RA) mentions in his Kitaab, Jaame Bayaan nul-Ilm that ibn Mas’ood (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) took out one Kitaab and swore an oath that it was compiled by him.
SAHIFA AMR IBN HAZAM (Radhiallaahu Ánhu)
When the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) appointed Hadhrat ibn Hazam (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) as a governor of Najran, he gave him a Sahifa which was written by Hadhrat Ubayy bin Ka’ab. It contained orders regarding cleanliness, purification, Salaat, Hajj, Umra, Jihaad, etc.
SAHIFA IBN MUBAARAK
Hadhrat Sa’eed ibn Hilaal says, “When we frequented Hadhrat Anas bin Maalik he took out a volume and said, ‘I heard these from the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). I have written it and preserved it.’” (Mustadrak Hakim vol. 3 pg. 54)
Though the writing of the Ahaadith had commenced it was not done in an arranged manner, i.e. it was compiled and codified. Due to the pre-occupations of the Khulafaa-e-Raashideen with the compilation of the Noble Qurãn and other important matters, it was not possible for them to accomplish this task.
However, when the politicians at the time of Hazrat Ali (R.A.) began to fabricate false Ahaadith Hazrat Ali became concerned about safeguarding the authentic Ahaadith. He used to stand on the mimbar and announce the authentic Ahaadith to the people. This continued till the period of Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz (R.A.) who became the khalifa after the demise of Sulayman bin Abdul Malik. His khilafat lasted only for 2 years. After accepting khilafat, he wrote to the judge of Madinah, Abubakr bin Hazm saying, “Whatever you find from the Ahaadith of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), write it down. I fear the loss of knowledge and the passing away of the Ulema.” (Bukhari vol.1 page 20)
Hafiz Ibn Hajar mentions that this letter was addressed to all the Judges of every province. A large collection of Ahaadith were compiled in this manner in the first century.
And the later scholars of hadith like imam bukhari(rh),imam muslim(rh) etc etc collected these hadiths and travelled through the length and breadth of the muslim hadiths further verifying and collecting these hadiths,do tell me what is it that u find illogical in this,compare this with how bible i.e old as well as new testament was compiled or collected! just think about this and do some indepth study of this subject rather than just seeking some superficial knowledge,any honest seeker of truth cannot fail to appreciate the science of hadiths……. may Allah(swt) guide all of us to Truth
QB said
Waleikum Salaam Shahid,
I clearly mentioned it in my post that I have no religious eduction and this is all based on my own analysis of hadiths with the message of Qur’an.
What is the science justification behind stoning running away with Prophet Moses clothes and what religious lesson we learn from this hadith? We must not trust the stones when taking bath in river or lake or to show no mercy to the stone which run away with our clothes beat them severely.
Prophet Moses slapping the Angel of Death is the most absurd illogical unbelievable story Bukhari included in his book. What is the lesson we learn from this hadith? Prophet Moses was more powerful than God and Angels? Prophet Moses died at the age of 120 years and he must be very weak old man that time (age is based on my memory could be wrong).
Prophet Muhammad was the head of state, judge, Prophet of God do you really believe that all he was having sex during the whole day and night with his wives. Did Prophet Muhammad was telling stories about his married private life to these transmitters?
My advice to you is to read and understand Qur’an and analyze these hadiths with the message of God.
QB said
“DO tell me what do u know about the science of hadith that u call it funny and illogical.” Shahid
Reply.
“The criteria to judge hadiths authenticity was to verify the chain of transmitters to Prophet Muhammad time which is considered by Sunnis to be science of collecting hadiths which is known as “Ilm al Rajal” or “Isma Al Rajal” knowledge of people.”
“The logical conclusion here is that if the hadith writers infact traced back the chain of transmitters back to Prophet Muhammad time than the lies and misinformation could not become the truth. The hadith writers criteria was what we call it “garbage in garbage out” in data processing terminology. The hadith writers which are called Imams and no criticism is allowed as it will be considered blesphemy making that person Apostate. The punishment for Apostate according to these fabricated corrupted hadiths is “death”. I have no religious eduction and can’t understand Arabic but it looks likes that have more knowledge of the message than these so called Imams.”
This is my understanding of the subject and sure I am no religious scholar. The truth is that have no religious education at all.
Mohammad Sajid said
What I really feel after looking at the discussion is both muslims and christians believe in the return of Jesus. Let Jesus come and justify which one of the two religions is correct.
One can easily find similarities between Judaism, Christianity and Islam that doesnt mean to me that Muhammad copied it from the Torah or Bible, but it means to me that all the messengers with the book were sent by the same God.
Your comments on Hadith and its science are not right, because hadiths are totally based on Quran. Hadiths never contradicts the teachings of Quran.
QB said
This is true that all the messengers come with the same message which is simple to worship One God.
Can you prove it that hadiths are based on Qur’an? Can you explain it me what is the importance of these hadiths which I quoted from the most respected Sunni Imam Bukhari. There are plenty of hadiths like the above quoted hadiths.
Andaleeb said
Glad that I found you. I am Muslim. I get very firm when someone asks if I am sunni or shia. I say I am a Muslim. Period. I read many blogs. I came across a blog that has a new member. She is a converted Muslim. Please tell if I am wrong, but I fee there is something wrong in almost everything she says:
“In my humble opinion…I think that people who oppose Zionism merely on the basis of their “evil doing” are going to miss the fact that there are a lot of evil doers in the world, not just one ideological type (and some muslims as well). What happens when you get rid of Zionism (in sha’allah)?
..you start all over again. No wonder they say history repeats itself. Because the solution is never adequately addressed d/t quietude and fear of ostracism.”
***
“You see, you cannot “believe” Mohamed was a prophet without accepting his final status OR that the Quran was the book he recited at the behest of the Creator who in turn said in THAT book:
Islam is superior to all other religions.
THAT is a huge point and one that most certainly annoys most people who are not muslim and hear it.”
Also, she compares what is going on with WestBank, Gaza and israel to the French Revolution/Reign of Terror.
Correct me if I am wrong, but this does not sit well with me. If you agree with me or disagree could you please expand on this with your own insights.
Thank you.
QB said
Zionists are like Sunni or Shia who want to implement their corrupted Sharia Laws in every country on earth. Zionists are the ones who believe in greater Israel.
This is right that Muhammad was the last Prophet and Qur’an is the final revelation of God.
Palestinians and Israel conflict can be resolved if they open their minds instead of sticking to their wrong religious beliefs.
Jerusalam is sacred for Jews Christians and Muslims so lets share the city with appointing all three religious administration instead of insisting to have total control of the city.
Andaleeb said
Thank you for your response. But isn’t it a bit arrogant to say that Islam is the superior religion to anyone regardless of their faith?
I cannot help but find this to be an ambiguous statement. It certainly cannot help to solve the problems in the world. People who convert to Islam are always inspired to [Cat Stevens] – I certainly don’t know how it helps Islam so say it is the superior religion. This is the opposite of inspiration to me.
What do you think?
QB said
I did posted reply to your last message but looks like get lost somehow.
I avoided intentionally to the question of superior religion because really don’t remember any verse where it is mentioned and don’t wanted to say something which is not correct.
The Qur’an teaches us that there is no compulsion in religion. Do not argue with Christians and Jews for the sake of argument on religion. There is a verse to tell the Christians and Jews that Muslim worship the same God. Also Qur’an teaches us that these differences will be resolved by our Creator on the day of judgement.
I don’t see that all the Muslims becoming Christians or all the Christians accepting Islam so there is no need for trying to prove each other religious beliefs false or one’s own religion superior to all other religions.
God has given us all free will to believe or not to believe in Him.
Simple solution follow what is right according to one’s personal understanding.
abu ameerah said
This post truly demonstrates what happens when people speak without knowledge. Its pathetic more than anything…
QB said
Abu Ameerah the man of knowledge and wisdom can you please help me to understand haditths quoted in this post. You men of knowledge and wisdom why don’t you understand the following :
“The truth is I never claimed to be knowledgeable religious scholar. I always said this many times before repeating it for you that I don’t have any religious eduction and what I am posting is according to my understanding of religions.”
You all men of knowledge and wisdom come insulting me instead of getting involved in constructive discussions.
kevin said
hello there QB
Dont worry about the so called muslims that try to say the Hadiths are a part of the Quran
If they read the QUR’AN PROPERLY !!
They would understand that the Hadiths are against Islam
read this in the QUR’AN 6:114
it states the QUR’AN is complete and detailed
but no!! are so called muslim brothers dont accept it they say we have to go read the hadiths because the QUR’AN hasnt got all the information we need .Ignorent bunch of thick heads if you ask me
kevin said
I will Challenge anybody in any argument that they say the HADITHS are a part of ISLAM
I will prove them wrong with help of ALMIGHTY
ALLAH
GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY !!!
kevin said
BY THE WAY ALLAH STATES THAT HE MADE THIS RELIGION EASY FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND LEARN
SO DO I NEED TO GO AND WASTE MY TIME AT SOME SCHOOL TO BE A SCHOLER TO UNDERSTAND THE QUR’AN ??
DONT TELL ME ILL WASTE MOST OF MY TIME LEARNING THE HADITHS RIGHT ??
HOW EAT SLEEP
WALK IN THE TOILET LEFT FOOT FIRST THEN WALK OUT WITH THE RIGHT FOOT FIRST
WHAT A JOKE
QB said
Thank you Kevin. I am the most hated person with Sunni bloggers who love to insult me instead of discussing the subject intelligently. I got one person now who can understand my post.
How about you writing some good articles? I will be glad to publish them.
kevin said
THANKS FOR REPLYNG QB
I will keep in touch
kevin said
45;6
These are the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, which We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) with truth. Then in which speech after Allâh and His Ayât will they believe?
46;7
Woe to every sinful liar,
4:82 Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.
This telling ppl to follow the QUR’AN only
not other books that a written by man which have condradictions in it
kevin said
6:114
Say (O Muhammad SAW)] “Shall I seek a judge other than Allâh while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur’ân), explained in detail.” Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.
QUR’AN
kevin said
This telling all of us ppl to follow the QUR’AN only brothers and sisters of ISLAM
NOT BOOKS THAT ARE WRITTEN BY MEN
GOD ONLY PROMISED TO PROTECT THE ONE BOOK ONLY AND THAT IS THE QUR’AN
NOT THE HADITHS WHICH ARE AGAINST GODS WORD AND ARE PROPHET
QB said
Dear Friend Kevin,
I thank you for understanding my point of view. I will be an honor keeping in touch with someone like you.
PS: I can give you access to my blog you can write what is right whenever you have time.
kevin said
thank you QB
forward the details to my email
QB said
Check your email.
Da_Kam said
Salam everyone.
I’m a muslim that follows Quran alone.
I was a former shia muslim. But when i read the Quran, i found the truth, and i found out that hadiths are just invention that has nothing to do with Muhammeds true system/religion or the true Islam.
Discover the true Islam, the Islam based on Quran alone:
http://www.free-minds.org
Peace
QB said
Salaam Da Kam,
God bless you that you find the truth. The problem is majority of Sunnis and Shias love to insult me on hadith issue but nobody is open to discuss it in open manner.
Da_Kam said
Salam Brother QB
God bless you too
have you been at free-minds.org or 19.org etc?
I found the truth about 6 months ago. You can read my story about how i came to Islam based on God alone/Quran alone at free-minds.org.
They are not open to discuss it because they put restrictionbs/limits to themselves.
How can God, the creator, The almighty be against science or constructive critisism when it was God that created all the planets in the universe with advanced science/philosophy etc.
Actually Quran has advancec psychology, advanced astronomy, advanced etiquette and lots of more.
God gave us a brain so we can use it. Not to put it on the shelves.
If a religion is a true religion, it should compatible with all goodness, with science, and with our intellect. The Quran is so great, that actually the Quran should be a rulegiver to all societies and all science. Not the opposite.
There are over 100 hadiths that contradict the quran. I don’t have time to post it here. But there are lots of articles abouth contradicting hadiths in the internet.
For all people interested in learning more about hadiths that contradict the Quranic verses, hadiths that contradict science etc.. read these 3 articles:
http://www.underkastelse.org/hadith_sunna/had_corruption.html
http://www.quranic.org/quran_article/6/contradictions_between_the_hadiths_and_the_quran.htm
http://www.quranic.org/quran_article/8/hadiths_in_contradiction_with_logic.htm
Peace Da kam
QB said
Salaam Da Kam
I will visit these links. Thank you.
Andaleeb said
I really appreciate all of the responses.
There is a maggieporter out there [ she has her own blog] who says she is a shia but not a Muslim.
HUH?
She keeps on stating that Islam is a superior religion.
She uses these as her proof:
9:33 It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth, to make it superior over all religions, though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it). (Hilali and Khan, parenthetical notes are theirs)
9:29 Fight [q-t-l] against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Hilali and Khan, parenthetical notes are theirs)
48:28 He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), that He may make it (Islam) superior to all religions. And All-Sufficient is Allah as a Witness. (Hilali and Khan, parenthetical notes are theirs)
61:9 He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and His Messenger Muhammad) hate (it). (Hilali and Khan, The Noble Qur’an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996)
Perhaps she is twisting the scriptures here?
QB said
Dear Sister Andaleeb,
The message of Qur’an could only be understood with carefully reading all the verses related to that particular topic instead of jumping on to conclusions with one verse.
9:33 It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
You can understand this verse more clearly when you look into context by reading the next verse and one preceding verse.
9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
This verse simply advising the Muslims to fight any resistance (Fitna) rising in Muslim country where non believers learn to respect the laws. This is my understanding Kevin if you have better understanding of this verse please post it.
48:28 It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.
Allah has sent Prophet Muhammad to proclaim the message and there is clear difference in proclaiming something and imposing it without the will of people. Prophet Muhammad proclaimed the message with some accepted the message and there were plenty who rejected the message.
There is also verse which clearly teaches us that there is no compulsion in religion. Humans have the free will to accept it or reject it.
Please carefully read the following verses.
2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
2:113 The Jews say: “The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: “The Jews have naught (To stand) upon.” Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
2:120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: “The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance.” Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
2:135 They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.” –
5:69 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
29:46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, “We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam).”
I encourage you to start reading Qur’an yourself and take my words that the message is so interesting that you will enjoy and the message will give you very broad minded approach towards other religious beliefs and faiths.
BTW why you keep going back to her blog.
QB said
Sister Andaleeb,
There are plenty of Qur’an translation and most authentic is Yusuf Ali but he did not very translated some verses correctly. Yusuf Ali translated some verses keeping hadiths in mind.
The following link is Word for Word Translation of Qur’an done by eMuslim.com. You can download the whole Qur’an. Excellent work.
Word for Word Quran (Excellent work)
Andaleeb said
maggie porter is actually infiltrating another blog. She is trying to cause divisions between muslims and christians and between muslims.
maggieporter:
Since you are a non Shia muslim perhaps you can validate that meaning of Shia Taqiyya for her since she is a bit confused about “quietism”.
So should I refer to Saudi Arabia as a Shia state? Of course not…we know that Saudi Arabia is the breeding ground of Al Qaeda and they have a right hand man sitting next to Dubya Bush. So..what should I say about that noble country that seems to be a bit confused nowdays…
Should I just call them a regime or rather, the monarchy of the Al Saud family? That would probably be a better term.
To be honest however…it would be hypocritical of me to be that awful because I gained so much from my stay in Riyadh. I met many wonderful people of various sects…”crypto Shia” too…because in Saudi a Shia is a crypto person due to Sunni State persecutions. Then again…many Sunnis there refer to us “rafidis” as “Jews” so what can I say.
You tell me what you think I should “label” this non elected regime that has caused so much trouble in order to protect it’s own er….roots in Islam.
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So what she is doing, as far as I can see is labelling all sunnis as wahhabists. She claims only the sunnis are making deals with the jews.
Why does she say jews? She never says zionists. She has her information backwards and I feel she does this on purpose.
Sure Saudi Arabia is governed by apostates of Islam. But not all Sunnis behave this way, nor should they be represented by such dictatorships. Besides this shia and sunni thing is a perpetual dig she has going.
QB said
The problem is that Muslims are divided into so many sects with so much hatred against each other. Wahhabis become the main target, blaming them for promoting extremism. Saudi Arabia rising unrest is the result of Royal Family wrong policies. Abdul Wahhab who is considered the founder of Wahhabism really did not promote extremism and violence. He teachings were to bring back Arabs to one God.
Kitab al-Tawhid.
Above is the link read it yourself.
Regarding her just don’t pay attention. I try to stay away from all hate mongers Sunnis Shiite Christians and war mongers. These people are full of hatred closed minded.
Andaleeb said
Thank you QB and others. I will look into all of your links. As a Muslim, I need to learn more about my own faith myself. But I can still spot a rat [this mag porter "shia' fake] when I see one.
Much regards,
Andaleeb
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Andaleeb said
I would really like to take the time to thank Da Kam for those excellent links on Islam – http://www.underkastelse.org/hadith_sunna/had_corruption.html
http://www.quranic.org/quran_article/6/contradictions_between_the_hadiths_and_the_quran.htm
http://www.quranic.org/quran_article/8/hadiths_in_contradiction_with_logic.htm
and especially for the link – http://www.free-minds.org
These are eye-opening facts and extremely interesting knowledge about Islam/Quran.
Thank you very kindly, Da Kam
Sincerely
Andaleeb
QB said
Andaleeb
I am very glad that you are on your journey of learning. Keep open mind when reading Qur’an and you will gain wisdom and knowledge.
koranist said
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; Surah 5 Verse 48
Islam is Torah, Gospel and Koran. But very few who claim to be its followers follow them.
Obey God not man!
Muhammad said
Very well written QB.
Hadith is certainly some kind of pollution to Islam.
The Quran is enough, complete, clear and free of all croockedness.
See 3:7 for the simplicity and ambiguity of Quaranic verses.
Al said
Salams
nice blog by the way
just wanted to ask a question,
do you believe in the second coming of Jesus (pbuh)?
QB said
Thank you Al. No I don’t believe Jesus (PBUH) second coming. The Qur’an prove that Jesus is dead. I also do not believe be Sunnis Shias Imam Mehdi, its all fiction.
Al said
Salam,
is it possible if you could provide the verses which state that Jesus (pbuh) is dead?
thank you again
QB said
Salaam Al,
Sure I will God willing. It will take some time to compile the related verses from Qur’an and Gospel.
QB said
Salaam Al
Read What happened to Jesus Christ?
SJ said
nice to see someone with his personal opinion!
You have right to state ur personal opinion ! but please dont disrespect anyone!
You showed ur disregards for the Imams!( not by rejecting their work , but by literally disrespecting hthem and it hurts common mans feeling!! please refrain from doing this!
I respect your views!
There can be some misunderstanding regarding Hadith and Quran!! and you can (should) consult Alims and get their opinion on the above matter!
QB said
Thank you SJ. The criticism of Hadith writers is not personal insults, am questioning their intelligence and the method they use to collect these stories. Alims when get cornered they just run away insisting that hadiths are the mandatory part of Islam. Take the divorce law, Qur’an never say that it is the most disliked law by Creator Himself, the fact is that this understanding come from hadith which is again taken from Old Testament and New Testament, God did not give us any laws which He Himself don’t like.
You are the most decent Muslim commented on my blog. Thank you.
wqah said
QB.
sincerely searching for the truth is the best thing there can be.
i am a muslim. i cannot say anything about the above post due to the fact that the topic is very broad, and needs to be backed by a lot of research.
a lot of people make similar claims, but they need to understand that such claims need to be backed by some serious research.
even though i may be called a “fundamentalist” by many people, i still think truth is more important than everything we have ever been taught, therefore, we shouldnt deny or accept anything until proven true or otherwise.
anyway. good luck with whatever you’re doing.
QB said
Wqah,
Thank you for your decent comments. The Fundamentalists means someone going back to the basics or the roots of religious teachings. The Muslims who have given hadiths so much importance that they even ignore the message of Qur’an and they are not fundamentalists. Fundamentalists are who are following Qur’an.
Thank you again Best Regards
wqah said
Qb, but we cannot ignore the hadith altogether. Before denouncing any hadith as false, bogus, or fake, we need to be 100% (AND I MEAN 100%) sure about it and have proofs to back that claim.
The other way is; that if you think that something had been falsely added to hadiths, do not follow it, and just be responsible for your own actions and dont preach.
Please. Don’t preach unless you’re sure. There are a lot of former-muslims out there who have left islam due to similer reasons of thinking all of the quran and hadith as corrupted. Which is not true.
QB said
Wqah,
Thank you for your advice. I am not really preaching. The religious posts are my understanding of Islam, Judaism and Christianity which are all lost the essence of the message brought by Moses, Jesus and Muhammad after their deaths by introducing the laws to keep the control in the hands of religious hierarchy.
I have no religious education, can’t read Arabic Qur’an properly understand the meaning of Arabic words so am in no position to preach Islam or as a matter of fact any other religion.
wqah said
Thank you for adding me. I will continue visiting your blog.
Be sincere to your work.
Good luck.
farah said
You guys are absolute bonkers with your perverted version of what you call ‘Islam’. Far from it. I think you are either a bunch of screwball wahaabis who believe in that crazy bastard wahaab or you are zionists trying to pass of as muslims with the aim of dividing the community. QB whoever you are – do you wear religious garbs when you preach. Reason I ask is that the favourite disguise of satan is I believe appearing as a religious know-it-all. Who do you think you are kidding. Not us “Muslims”. Go pick your own kind – the dwellers of hell. I’m sure your thick carcasses will provide enough fuel for your ancestors and gurus also residing there permanently. La hawlawala quwata Illa Billahil Aleeyil Azeem! Only Allah has the power to protect us from evil satans such as you and your ilk.
QB said
LOL. Farah you did not read carefully that I am not religious scholar. I don’t wear beard and religious robes, also I don’t preach. This is my findings according to Qur’an.
Anonymous said
QB i have always had doubts about the hadiths as many of them are foolish, unscientific and pointless, although many of them are truly amazing, and these are the ones that speak about or beloved prophet muhammad(pbuh) character, and i will always try my best to be as exalted as he, the prophet only brought the message of the Holy Quran, but the Quran tells us to follow the wonderful charactor of the prophet muhammad(pbuh):
33:21 VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly.
Although i strongly disagree with the fact the you dont agree with the second coming of Jesus(pbuh), regardless of the hadiths, their is ample evidence of the second coming of him in the Holy Quran:
43:61 And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
this is indeed talking about the coming of jesus(pbuh) as the previous and later verses speak about jesus(pbuh)
ill be waiting a reply, peace
Salam said
QB i have always had doubts about the hadiths as many of them are foolish, unscientific and pointless, although many of them are truly amazing, and these are the ones that speak about or beloved prophet muhammad(pbuh) character, and i will always try my best to be as exalted as he, the prophet only brought the message of the Holy Quran, but the Quran tells us to follow the wonderful charactor of the prophet muhammad(pbuh):
33:21 VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly.
Although i strongly disagree with the fact the you dont agree with the second coming of Jesus(pbuh), regardless of the hadiths, their is ample evidence of the second coming of him in the Holy Quran:
43:61 And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
this is indeed talking about the coming of jesus(pbuh) as the previous and later verses speak about jesus(pbuh)
ill be waiting a reply, peace
meda said
I am torn apart because I don’t know if I should follow hadith because some of them directly contradict the Quran.
For example:
Bukhari (Ref: 1.299)
Narrated Abdur Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Messenger wanted to fondle anyone during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an izar and start fondling her.” Aisha added “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet.”
But the Quran says:
(2:222) They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is a vulnerable condition, so let women alone at such times and go not unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you.
So can someone explain the discrepencies?
We are quick to criticise Christians for following a book which has so many proven mistakes and yet we are ready to accept the Hadith from Bukhari even if some of them are directly contradicting the Quran and and describing Mohammed PBUH as a totally different man as shown in the previous quotations.
Also, have you ever read the Hadith on how it came about that we have to pray 5 times a day?? If you read it, it is kind of ridiculous. It makes you believe that Moses had the right to question Allah’s judgment on things.
Honestly I need to research this matter a bit more but I am afraid that my logic tells me that Hadith are doing more harm than good. Also, how many people refrain from joining Islam because some hadith says that he had sex with a 9 year old??
clear mind said
Please read submission.org website. it is truthly amazing websit. also I believe in my heart Quran is the only true book. it is complete and detail. if you read it is amazing. It is clear to understand and follow. I don’t understand why such as shia and sunni have hard time understand the holy book. I think becuase their heart is block.
allison said
Looks like I am late to the party, but I just want to say that I am so happy to find out (on this post) that there are people who think the same way as I do. I am a convert to Islam, it appealed to me through my logic, and I found myself following “rules” which seemed illogical. I have many arguments about this, including one with a loved one over evolution..I believe that evolution and creationism don’t have to contradict each other and that believing God went “poof” to create conscious, spiritual beings undermines his intelligence and ability. Science supports Islam, and Islam supports science. I am disappointed that my faith has been highjacked by myopic misogynists.
…anyway, thanks for being there, even if we haven’t the ability to change mainstream beliefs about Islam (for both muslims and non-muslims alike), at least we can find comfort in openminded, tolerant others like ourselves. Peace out.
allison said
oh, and isn’t there a hadith about how Mohammed said not to write anything down after his death EXCEPT for quran? But the muslims who place claim on the religion like to use the salad bar approach when it comes to hadith like that..take what tastes good to you, and leave the rest. Hypocrites……Cxkjfdkjfa
QB said
Allison you are no late. Feel free to comment or even write an article on Islam or Politics and I will publish with your name.
allison said
I found it….seems like a contradiction to me: recording hadith about forbidding recording hadith? :-/
“The prophet said:’Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Whoever wrote, must destroy it” (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel3/12,21,39)
QB said
Thank you Allison. I heard of this hadith but was unable to find it.
Auxley said
Salamun,
Exalted prophet Mohammad was tasked to convey the message and Allah wants humans to use intellect in order to find out the truth with conviction. The Quran provides the system and the procedures vary because of location, culture, etc. The most important thing is the outcome of our doings is always filled with IHSAN. The Quran if complete, perfect and fully detailed. We make procedures based on permanent rules given by Allah. Why? Because we are not machines. We have freewill and intellect. There is no logic behind judgement day if we are mechanical creatures.
Whenever a hadith (quotation) is presented to you in my name, verify it in the light of the Qur’an. If it agrees with the Qur’an, accept it, if it is in conflict, discard it.
(Prophet Mohammad, the Exalted, ref. Al-Tibiyan wal Tabayyen , vol.II, p.28)
Only Allah knows the ultimate Truth. We can but strive our best to understand. May Allah increase all of us in knowledge. Allahu Akbar.
Auxleynash said
Peace
Exalted prophet Mohammad was tasked to convey the message and Allah wants humans to use intellect in order to find out the truth with conviction. The Quran provides the system and the procedures vary because of location, culture, etc. The most important thing is the outcome of our doings is always filled with IHSAN. The Quran if complete, perfect and fully detailed. We make procedures based on permanent rules given by Allah. Why? Because we are not machines. We have freewill and intellect. There is no logic behind judgement day if we are mechanical creatures.
Whenever a hadith (quotation) is presented to you in my name, verify it in the light of the Qur’an. If it agrees with the Qur’an, accept it, if it is in conflict, discard it.
(Prophet Mohammad, the Exalted, ref. Al-Tibiyan wal Tabayyen , vol.II, p.28)
Only Allah knows the ultimate Truth. We can but strive our best to understand. May Allah increase all of us in knowledge. Allahu Akbar.
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The seeker said
I think the muslims of this generation are confused to what they should really believe in, and as a result you see,conflicts, arguments and even some leaving Islam all together. The true seekers should not just believe in what they are told from the older generations, such as family, friends and even imans. The different sects rely too much on hadiths and other sources besides the Qu’ran that they forget the true religion of Islam.
At some point in our lives, some will question what they believe in is in fact real or not. When we are younger, we are expected to follow and believe our community members, friends and family without any real knowledge and the credibility. The fear is if you neglect the hadiths you are not acknowledging the prophet. On the other hand if you soley go by Qu’ran you are doing what god told us to do, to follow and read the holy book only and not from other sources which are open to distorations, misconceptions and misinterpretations.
If you believe what everyone else does, how can you be open minded to see what you may follow may infact be totally wrong and it just adds to the burdens and confusions of ones life.
I am just giving my personal opinion, of finding the true meaning and wisdom within to guide us to the right path.No ones perfect, not even imans. So just because one who may not be educated enough in this field, doesn’t mean the imans or the scholars will always be right. After all god is the all knowing and he is infallible.
Always try to seek the knowledge on your own terms and not let others intervene in your quest for searching the true path! It is the one who will face god alone on the day of judgement, and no scholars or even the prophets will save us.
sultana said
if we follow quran only (which i think is wise) how do we pray?
QB said
Sultana,
The following is the link to videos where you can find the best explanation of how to pray according to Qur’an.
http://www.the-quran.org/
truuthz said
ACTUAL STATUS OF HADITH
I have read this all discussion. But waht “QB’ has said in the beginning of this page is 100% correct. All the coruption & split in umma today we see is due to forged hadiths. In Quran, Allah has said many times ” that do not believe in any other hadith but the AHSAN Hadith of Allah which is Quran. and Quran also fully depicts sunn of our beloved Prophet. Some people has lied in this blog that Hadith was present from beginnig. In fact we can find even in hadith books in many places that
Prophet said “Do not take any thing from me except Quran. Once Prophet saw some people writing some thing and he asked what are u writing, they answered “ur Hadith”. Prophet said, So should u write a book beside Kitaab Allah; who has writen it he should erase it.
(Msanad Ibne Hanbal)
It was forbidden in the time of 4 Guided Caliphs to write any Aadith except Quran. Ummar Khattab even prisioned some sihabees who possessed some hadith. Abu Bakar had some Hadith notes but later he collected them and burned them All.
Even first Fiqa Imam Abu Hanifa always consulted Quran only. Imam abu hanifa’s time was before all imamas and before all Persian hadith writers. So did he leave any hadith book?. NO. One many came to Abu Hanifa and he said that he has listened from prophet that to make one time wadoo is Half Iman. Imam told him, now u make two time wado and ur imam will be full. One person brought forged hadith that was contradicting Quran. Abu Hanifa told him, take that report and rub it with the tail of Khanzeer (PIG). Abu hanifa was strictly against ahdiths as he was aware these are all forged.
Persian Mullas collected about 2.3 millions hadiths and found 99.2% forged. So to find one true hadith in this situation is like to find a tiny diamond in an ocean that is full of dirty water.
If read following report carefully which fully debunks the fasle propoganda of those who say, hadith is part of Islam
“Zayd Ibn Thabit (the Prophet’s closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu’aawiya (more than 30 years after the Prophet’s death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu’aawiya liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said, “The messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his Hadith.”
(Reported by Ibn Hanbal)
For additional references and informations, please visit following my pages (these pages are very poular page.) read them about all disputed points and realize the truth
http://groups.google.com/group/Truthandonlytruth/web/actual-status-of-hadith
http://groups.google.com/group/Truthandonlytruth/web/truthland-of-truuthz—home-page
Allah Ma’akum
truuthz said
ACTUAL STATUS OF HADITH
I have read this all discussion. But waht “QB’ has said in the beginning of this page is 100% correct. All the coruption & split in umma today we see is due to forged hadiths. In Quran, Allah has said many times ” that do not believe in any other hadith but the AHSAN Hadith of Allah which is Quran. and Quran also fully depicts sunn of our beloved Prophet. Some people has lied in this blog that Hadith was present from beginnig. In fact we can find even in hadith books in many places that
Prophet said “Do not take any thing from me except Quran. Once Prophet saw some people writing some thing and he asked what are u writing, they answered “ur Hadith”. Prophet said, So should u write a book beside Kitaab Allah; who has writen it he should erase it.
(Msanad Ibne Hanbal)
It was forbidden in the time of 4 Guided Caliphs to write any Aadith except Quran. Ummar Khattab even prisioned some sihabees who possessed some hadith. Abu Bakar had some Hadith notes but later he collected them and burned them All.
Even first Fiqa Imam Abu Hanifa always consulted Quran only. Imam abu hanifa’s time was before all imamas and before all Persian hadith writers. So did he leave any hadith book?. NO. One many came to Abu Hanifa and he said that he has listened from prophet that to make one time wadoo is Half Iman. Imam told him, now u make two time wado and ur imam will be full. One person brought forged hadith that was contradicting Quran. Abu Hanifa told him, take that report and rub it with the tail of Khanzeer (PIG). Abu hanifa was strictly against ahdiths as he was aware these are all forged.
Persian Mullas collected about 2.3 millions hadiths and found 99.2% forged. So to find one true hadith in this situation is like to find a tiny diamond in an ocean that is full of dirty water.
If read following report carefully which fully debunks the fasle propoganda of those who say, hadith is part of Islam
“Zayd Ibn Thabit (the Prophet’s closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu’aawiya (more than 30 years after the Prophet’s death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu’aawiya liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said, “The messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his Hadith.”
(Reported by Ibn Hanbal)
For additional references and informations, please visit following my pages (these pages are very poular page.) read them about all disputed points and realize the truth
http://groups.google.com/group/Truthandonlytruth/web/actual-status-of-hadith
http://groups.google.com/group/Truthandonlytruth/web/truthland-of-truuthz—home-page
Allah Ma’akum
truuthz said
ACTUAL STATUS OF HADITH
I have read this all discussion. But waht “QB’ has said in the beginning of this page is 100% correct. All the coruption & split in umma today we see is due to forged hadiths. In Quran, Allah has said many times ” that do not believe in any other hadith but the AHSAN Hadith of Allah which is Quran. and Quran also fully depicts sunn of our beloved Prophet. Some people has lied in this blog that Hadith was present from beginnig. In fact we can find even in hadith books in many places that
Prophet said “Do not take any thing from me except Quran. Once Prophet saw some people writing some thing and he asked what are u writing, they answered “ur Hadith”. Prophet said, So should u write a book beside Kitaab Allah; who has writen it he should erase it.
(Msanad Ibne Hanbal)
It was forbidden in the time of 4 Guided Caliphs to write any Aadith except Quran. Ummar Khattab even prisioned some sihabees who possessed some hadith. Abu Bakar had some Hadith notes but later he collected them and burned them All.
Even first Fiqa Imam Abu Hanifa always consulted Quran only. Imam abu hanifa’s time was before all imamas and before all Persian hadith writers. So did he leave any hadith book?. NO. One many came to Abu Hanifa and he said that he has listened from prophet that to make one time wadoo is Half Iman. Imam told him, now u make two time wado and ur imam will be full. One person brought forged hadith that was contradicting Quran. Abu Hanifa told him, take that report and rub it with the tail of Khanzeer (PIG). Abu hanifa was strictly against ahdiths as he was aware these are all forged.
Persian Mullas collected about 2.3 millions hadiths and found 99.2% forged. So to find one true hadith in this situation is like to find a tiny diamond in an ocean that is full of dirty water.
If read following report carefully which fully debunks the fasle propoganda of those who say, hadith is part of Islam
“Zayd Ibn Thabit (the Prophet’s closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu’aawiya (more than 30 years after the Prophet’s death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu’aawiya liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said, “The messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his Hadith.”
(Reported by Ibn Hanbal)
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Allah Ma’akum
AlfaLymanBlob said
May all beings find peace and happines.
I find it amazing that the hadiths were corrupted and that muslims didnt notice that for 1400 years..? I also find absurdaties in quran paralles to the wired hadiths, for example when God turned jews into apes and pigs becouse they were fishing on a sunday. I also appreciate if somone could clarify for me if Quran only muslims deny the abrogations. Becouse what you would have left is just a book with both Meccan and amdinan verses, and which one should one follow. And alos what happend with ayat Al-Rajim and what happend with the goat that ate it?
TRUUTHZ said
Quran is fully detailed, complete, standalone & the most authoritative Final. & only the VERBATIM Revelation/BOOK of GOD. Quran is Watcher, Corrector & Superseder of all past scriptures. In past Majority of TRUTH SEEKING Non-Muslims reverted to Islam when they read & understood Quran. Islam is only the approved path of GOD. All prophets incl Moses & Jesus only preached Islam. Islam is DEEN. DEEN mean “complete divine system for this life & here after”. For proof visit: go2cut d o t com/nz
How Quran is protected by Lord? read at: http://smalur.com/wU
QB said
Abrogation is the most absurd idea become the part of belief without analyzing the message of Qur’an. The hadiths believer go to height of stupidity defending this concept.
Alfal and Thuhthz nice to hear from you guys.
resat said
unfortunately, today most muslims take hadith as explanation to Quran.when growing up, seing your older ones following hadith most people do not question the authenticity of the source and follow without doubt thinking that my older ones know what they do. well it is shame that 99% of muslims do belive in hadith fabrications and think that it is necessary to understand GOD’s book Quran. For them GOD was not open and clear enough so that they take hadith fabrications as a religious source.
Allmuslims should read Quran nothing but Quran to follow the religion in its pure form.
resat said
Quran, as GOD says in it, is easy to understand and is complete. People, mostly Hadith- all fabrications- belivers claim that it is hard to understand and it does not contain all practices. Quran readers know that all practices come from Abraham not from Muhammad. Salat prayers, zakat charity, Haj was present before Muhammad.
Another thing, unfortunately most muslims countries are 3rd world countries, where education levels are low and very high number of population could not read and write still. When practice religion, they believe what they are told by their imams and never question them.
If we increase levels of education and teach people to ask questions, with todays internet I am sure sooner or later people will see the truth.
Happiness is submission to GOD ALONE.
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farrah said
I totally agree with the follow Quran aloners here, I think there’s no point arguing with sunnis and shias because they will always think your wrong and theres no way to convince them as there brainwashed in many ways as I was most my years. I still havn’t let go of hadiths totally as I often feel frightened and think “what if” but I would feel that way in any path I chose to follow because we still never know…It makes me so angry when I read there stupid arguments talking about people with knowledge!! does it never occur to these foolish people that perhaps there using baseless hadiths of which they have knowledge! furthermore, these imams who compiled the hadith who said they claimed to have knowledge? are there names mentioned in the Quran? what makes them think they had knowledge? ermmm I think accepting hadith as 100 percent infallible is basiclay coparing GOD TO IMAMS…God sent scriptures before the Quran and they were always corrupted! but the Quran was protected so what did people do? they made another body of literature to corrupt ISLAM instead as it couldnt be done via the QURAN!!! think u silly people….why wouldnt got mention sucha major punishment such as stoning to death for adultry in the quran and wait for men to write it years later??? people dont use their reason and I think they need a slap for doin that
QB said
Thank you Farrah.
Mansoor_ali said
Salam,
Here is thoroughly response by brother Bassam Zawadi to “HADEETH REJECTERS”
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters
Here is COMBAT KIT by brother Bassam Zawadi against “Quran only” muslims:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/combat_kit_for_muslims.htm
Recommended Links:
Issues Concerning Hadith http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/
Adam said
Which book do you consult regarding how to pray (not about wudu) – Quran or Hadith? And where is the verse in Quran telling you HOW to perform prayer.
Ellyas Hannibal said
SHALOM qb!(Peace be upon u QB).I’m a Malaysian Liberal Muslims representative totally satisfy your point about the corrupted Hadiths even though u are not really knowledgeable religious scholar at all.your stetement is very strong with examples which provide the proves that Hadith is a false teaching of Islam contradicting with the Holy Koran.I share with Your Understanding about the false Hadith that moving round many Muslim’s head.I don’t agree even believing with the Hadith written by the great muslim fairy tale story narrator after some 2 or 3 centuries after Muhammad’s death.It doesn’t makes sense & I wonder how the hadith is declared as a the Muhammad say’s record.actually the Hadith are written by humans with errors by their own thought.If tHE HADITH promotes the believers to respect each other & well manner,it doesn’t matter.Unfortunately many Hadiths teach the muslims to hate or insult the Jews,Christians, and other people.this teaching are very similar to the NAZI IDEOLOGY MADE BY Adolf HITLER.even surprisingly animals like Dog & Pig are also among the victims of hates from hadith.I think this is why terrorism & islam extremism happenning round the world.let me tell u that Hadith are never ever been mention in the Five pillars of Islam & 6 pillars of Islamic faith.
The list of the five pillars:
1.say the the two confesses that there is only ONE GOD(ALLAH in arabic word referring to God) and Muhammad is a Prophet.
2.perform five times pray a day
3.pay Zakat(Islamic taxes)
4.fasting in the month of Ramadhan
5.perform Hajj (holiday visit to Mecca)
The list of the 6 Islsamic faith:
1.Believe in God(Allah in arabic)
2.believe in Angels
3.BELIEVE IN SACRED BOOKS(TORAH,BIBLE AND KORAN)
4.Believe in prophets
5.Believe in Kiamat(The END OF THE WORLD)
6.believe in Qada’ & Qadar(the will of God)
well, that’s my believe & understanding but not The hadith.Is there any word of Hadith mention in the Pillars?certainly not at all!In conclusion,not all Muslim believe in Hadith(very little).we are the liberal Muslim community are free from the corrupted hadith.it is really contradict with the religion & humanity.We love interreligious & interracial Integrity & love Peace.Thank you.
P.E.A.C.E
resat said
Religious prayers and all other religious activities such as zakat, fasting, hajj were already present long before Quran was sent to humanity through Muhammad. All these were sent to Abraham and was exercised by all messangers and believers in those years so Quran does not tell you how to perform them. Hadith, fabrications of disbelievers, was unfortunately is accepted as a religious source with the book of Quran. Those hadith followers will not take Quran as only religious source for Muslims arguing that it is not complete… I guess they don’t understand what they read, but then again God tells in Quran that He will make disbelivers deaf and blind…
My question to all of you as I know my answer anyway,…
CAN I BE A PERFECT MUSLIM IF I READ AND FOLLOW QURAN AND REFUSE HADITH?
Well to me there is only one book in religion of ISLAM – that is ALLAH’s book, the Quran, only valid religious source that nobody can argue its source.
Do you want to follow fabrications or Quran?
sis-haq- said
I find it rediculous and against Islam that any of you would give opinions to islamic information. Islam has no room for ur opinion! Either follow Islam correctly or leave it. There is no half way! Fear Allah
QB said
Sis Haq – Typical Sunni Shia attitude. Blind follower.